Friday, January 7, 2011

Is Eliphaz good or bad?

As we start the year 2011, let's expose the hypocrisy of some of the Filipino Roman Catholic apologists concerning private interpretation. As we all know, Roman Catholics criticize us Protestants for not having an infallible magisterium to settle differences in interpretations of the Bible. They point out that private interpretations result to disunity.

Let's get down to business. Concerning Eliphaz, one of Job's friends who visited during the latter's suffering, is he good or bad?

According to Atty. Marwil Llasos:

Job’s unrighteous friend Eliphaz taunted him for calling on the saints, saying: “Call now, if there be any that will answer thee; and to which of the saints wilt thou turn?” (Job 5:1). Unlike his friend, Job was a righteous and honest man who shunned evil (Job 1:1) yet, he was humble enough to call on the saints (in some translations, “holy ones”). Who are these “holy ones” that Job called for help? Zechariah 14:5 of the Amplified Bible identifies the holy ones as the “saints and angels” of God; “And God shall come and all the holy ones [saints and angels] with Him” (Zech. 14:5, Amp.). True enough, “born again” Christians are like Eliphaz the Temanite who taunt Catholics, who like Job, call on the angels and saints.]

So for Atty. Llasos, Eliphaz is unrighteous. Eliphaz is not like his friend Job who is righteous and shuns evil. And Atty. Llasos even identifies Eliphaz with Born Again Christians.

However, for Mr. Franz Luigi Lugena (aka Kapatas and Parabanog), an apprentice of Fr. Abe Arganiosa:

Nagkamali si Eliphaz yes, pero hindi ibig sabihin eh talagang masama syang tao. Si Haring David ay nagkasala ng pangangalunya pero hindi talaga sya masamang tao. Kaya wag husgahan ang tao sa isang nagawang kamalian. Para namang ang babanal nyo.

Kung babasahin mo teksto, hindi nga pinarusahan ng Diyos si Eliphaz eh. Inutusan si Eliphaz na maghandog ng hain sa kanya nang hindi sya maparusahan. So nandun ang pagtatawad ng Diyos kay Eliphaz mula sa handog na inialay. Kung totoong masamang tao Eliphaz hindi sana sya oobligahin ng Diyos na maghandog ng alay na susunugin dahil karumaldumal sa Diyos ang hain ng masamang tao. Right then and there, pinatay sya ng Diyos. Kaso hindi eh.


[Translation: Eliphaz was wrong, yes, but that doesn't mean that he is really an evil person. King David sinned by committing adultery but he is really not an evil person. So don't judge a person who made a mistake, as if you're holy.

If you read the text, God did not punish Eliphaz. He ordered Eliphaz to offer a sacrifice to Him so that he won't be punished. So there was God's forgiveness to Eliphaz upon his offering. If Eliphaz was really evil, he would not be obligated to offer something because an offering of an evil person is not acceptable to God. He could have been killed by God right there and then, but this didn't happen.]


Oooh, so Eliphaz is not an evil person according to Mr. Lugena. So, let's leave the two of them to settle their differences.

By the way, don't bother consulting your infallible magisterium, they never made an official interpretation of all the verses in the book of Job. Yes, they can make an interpretation for you but how long will that take? Will they even bother? And what about the Roman Catholics who were born centuries before you who never heard of an official interpretation on the book of Job?

4 comments:

  1. What's your take?

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  2. Oh yeah I forgot to write my stand. Well, I think he's one of the good guys.

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  3. @gerry soliman

    Sa pangalan pa lang po ninyo eh kinikilabutan na ako,deceptive o mapanglinlang ang pangalan ninyo...bakit di nyo gamitin angpagiging muslim name ninyo na mohammad gerryudin soliman so that it will sound as 100% muslim ?
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    kala ko po napakagaling niyo. I thought before..you were a genius...but the above post,it manifested that you are zero when comes to logic.
    you have said that >>>>,"
    Oooh, so Eliphaz is not an evil person according to Mr. Lugena. So, let's leave the two of them to settle their differences.

    when mr. franz lugena said,>>>
    Nagkamali si Eliphaz yes, pero hindi ibig sabihin eh talagang masama syang tao. Si Haring David ay nagkasala ng pangangalunya pero hindi talaga sya masamang tao. Kaya wag husgahan ang tao sa isang nagawang kamalian. Para namang ang babanal nyo.

    PAG SINABING NAKAMALI SI ELIPHAZ-IBIG SABIHIN AY NATUKSO SIYA NA DI NYA GAGAWIN IYON SA NORMAL NA KALAGAYAN NIYA NA ISANG MASUNURIN SA DIYOS.
    pAG SINABING NAGKAMALI---DI SINASADYA? TAMA O MALI ?

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    NANG SABIHIN NIYA NA >>>
    Si Haring David ay nagkasala ng pangangalunya pero hindi talaga sya masamang tao. Kaya wag husgahan ang tao sa isang nagawang kamalian.

    WHAT HE MEANT IS THAT KING DAVID WAS NOT ALWAY A SINNER OR FOREVER A SINNER,HE COMMITTED ADULTERY BUT HE DID NOT COMMITTED ALDULTERY ALL THE TIME---THAT WAS WHAT FRANZ MEANT TO SAY...NOT LITERALLY MEANT THAT KING DAVID OR ELIHAZ HAD NOT SINNED.

    WELL...I DON'T KNOW YET HOWMANYMORE SACKS OF SALTS FOR YOU MOHAMMAD GERRYUDIN SOLIMAN BEFORE YOU COULD UNDRERSTAND A VERY SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT REQUIRES A VERY SIMPLE LOGIC.THAT IS WHAT TRUTH EXPLORER HAS EXPLORED,HE HE HE HE HE

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  4. WHAT HE MEANT IS THAT KING DAVID WAS NOT ALWAY [A SINNER OR FOREVER A SINNER,HE COMMITTED ADULTERY BUT HE DID NOT COMMITTED ALDULTERY ALL THE TIME---THAT WAS WHAT FRANZ MEANT TO SAY...NOT LITERALLY MEANT THAT KING DAVID OR ELIHAZ HAD NOT SINNED.]

    You're probably a fan of Fr. Abe considering the all caps.

    Well anyway, in response, I really don't think you even got what Kapatas is trying to say there. In fact, I can't even understand you. Are you saying Eliphaz is good or bad?

    Please rephrase. Thanks.

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